National Debt Crisis Reignites Reagan Revolution

(by P.S. Read, Washington D.C.)   

“If not us, who? If not now, when?” is a Ronald Reagan quote used as a call to action. The Gipper used it to win the 50 year-long Cold War over Communist Russia & Obama is borrowing it to alleviate his political discomfort of the debt crisis coinciding with his re-election time line.

Reagan was dominated by Democrats in the House & Senate, but he did not shy away from negotiation. He won them. And he used bold colors of renewal – not pastel. 

 
After Senator Reid tabled the now SECOND bill that included the wildly popular "Balanced Budget Amendment" (Cut, Cap, Balance & Boehner's Plan), Speaker Boehner will now kill Dirty Harry’s Plan. Good because Reid would have increased the debt $500B.  Reid allows for a $2.7T Debt Extension & only makes $2.2T in cuts (from CBO here). Reid’s Plan doesn't even pay for the extension↓. His short-fall on spending cuts do not lessen the debt, but adds $500B to it↑. Not to mention it doesn't touch the ever-expanding base-line, result of automated departmental fund-increases, interest and inflation.

And Reid handed Obama a golden parachute. With the Reid Plan, Obama wouldn't have to face the No.1 issue facing the nation, again – the debt he's racked up in his first term ♥ Reid's extension runs past the Presidential election – it's not the normal, Reaganesque, six month extension – but a full two years away.♥ The nation is "teetering on the edge" (per Dems on CSPAN) and Reid is playing politics to benefit the Obama re-election campaign & hinder solving the "national debt crisis" result of his out of control spending.
Reid also circumvented the Constitution by introducing the bill from the Senate.  Article 1 Section 7 (here) states “all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives, but Senate may propose or concur with Amendments.” Dirty Harry's not a Representative & is only plotting to bypass the amendment process. 

Fannie & Freddie: Most Expensive Bailout (here)

It's been rumored that Republicans & Democrats only want to make a deal to cut $1.8T. It must be a temporary fix. Well, they're in luck. Fannie & Freddie's portion of the total debt is $1.7T (here).
If the Government really wanted to solve the ever-lingering economic crisis, then our rulers would privatize "government sponsored entities" (GSEs), Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, without delay. They corrupt the real estate industry, diminish everyone's actual value (THEFT) & interfere with the Free Market to redistribute "housing" and make home-ownership a "Constitutional Right." And like Obamacare, its not a right, but a pursuit.  
Consider Obama's Stimulus Bill ($780B): One bill alone cost more than America's War on Terror ($740B as of 2009). And Stimulus was a lot less effective than the military♠ in serving The People.

Panetta Says Troops Should Stay in Iraq (here)

 ➢So why are Obama, Reid & Pelosi – the Democrats – punishing the military with a 33% budget cut & then capping it? 

Reid cuts & caps "war activity spending" (here).  Defense cost $120B/yr ($1.2T/ decade). Obama, Reid & Pelosi propose a $40B/yr cut ($400B/decade here).  And Leon Panetta endorsed the 33% cut in Military & now (thanks to Reid) the cut would be capped. 

Democrats only answer to secure the nation – after al Qaeda has been said to, “leave the US at its most-vulnerable-to-attack since 9/11" – is to cut the military by a third of its operating budget?  Why, did they or are they failing their mission?
What's more shocking: all Democrats voting to fund the Iraq War under Bush or Obama proposing to remain there as of, June 2011 (here)? Cue the media outrage! Right, there is none.
The Far Left chant of, "Blame Bush's War" is an argument for the weak-minded. As is their "war for oil" one. Unless Democrats would rather risk all those lives (from both sides) just to ensure Americans don't drill? Everyone else in the World can, but not the US? These are weak arguments & only make Democrats look worse than they tried to make Bush appear. They blame an American for responding to a cowardly act committed by terrorist on 9/11 – while war was the response that ALL democrats voted for too.  

It’s as if Reid thinks the enemy has no culpability in the dispute – it's automatically America's fault &hopefully a Republicans.  Maybe our enemies would be so kind as to abide by a cease fire as Dirty Harry runs out of "war money." Suffice it to say, Dirty Harry, they are an enemy of Independence and will not abide by your cowardly appeasement.The fact that stimulus failed (and the war has not) & the fact that Dirty Harry & Queen Pelosi said (in 2007) "the Iraq war is lost," is what Dems are trying to hide (watch video here).  Dirty Harry is having flashbacks of his 1960s Anti-Military Protester Days (here). "War activity spending caps?" Maybe he's just pandering to Ron Paul.

V for VICTORY of war ~ WW2 to Afgha

Just think of the 9/11 Response & Safety Record: A record low number of all-volunteer soldiers lost, which is remarkable considering the length of war. Low foreign casualties, when compared to previous tyrants removed. The genocidal monsters of Iraq & al Qaeda have been toppled ♠ saving countless innocent lives. A liberated & democratic Iraq wants U.S. forces to remain. For the first time in history, women in Afghanistan are enjoying the right to vote. The want of Freedom is swelling in the Mid-East.  And there have been no successful foreign terrorist attack on US soil since Bush & 9/11, which again, is remarkable.

Ronald Reagan, “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. It must be fought for, protected & handed down for our children to do the same." 

Link to Panetta & Communist Spy (here)

Default is easily dealt with and only means that we pay the interest on our debt & meet our obligations. The August 2nd deadline is a false mark set by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner (here) who recently admitted the date "might actually be August 10" (here). For the record, this would now be the 3rd change to the deadline date.
Senator Rand Paul points out "America is taking in $200B per month. We have plenty of money to pay our interest & not default."

Rep. Louie Gohmert (TX) reinforced the sentiment, “There is $2.6T in the Social Security trust fund. Checks wouldn't be skipped unless Pres. Obama refused to issue them." Still, another bill sets out to guarantee payment to our military. So, when it comes to solving the fiscal crisis, there is no better time than the present. 
After tabling his 2nd Balanced Budget Amendment, Harry Reid told Mitch McConnell to “send someone to negotiate with Democrats.” Ask Jim DeMint, Pat Toomey, Rand Paul & John Boehner to oblige. 
The crown jewel for Conservatives is the Balanced Budget Amendment. 75% of The People support it and so do Republicans. A Balanced Budget Amendment would preempt the out of control spending by Washington DC and demand fiscal responsibility.

★Go Big or Go Home★ 

➊The original debt plan called for a debt-limit increase of 6 months – the exact same duration given Reagan who was ending a 50 year Cold War with Communist Russia.

     1a) If Democrats demand a full year of extension, then the GOP can demand a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment by April 2012 AND include a 2 to 1 Cut to Debt Extension ratio. The 2:1 ratio would pay back the extension, cut spending & pay down the national debt  –  the reason an extension is needed. 

      1b) If Obama wants a debt extension into 2013, then the GOP can demand a 3 to 1 Cut to Debt Extension ratio with a Balanced Budget Amendment & demand all states be given the chance to opt out of Obamacare, like so many unions and businesses have already done. And like some states were already granted in a deal made behind closed-doors (Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase & "pay offs" (here). 

Jim DeMint on Right To Work (here)

You've heard the radical buzz-words "balanced approach & shared sacrifice" being repeated daily. In order for sacrifice to be shared, both sides must experience some.
➋Democrats want to raise more revenue (for more spending) by closing tax loopholes. I think Republicans would be smart to accept their offer, but only if Democrats will agree to pass a uniform tax-cut consistent with Article 1 Section 8 (all taxes shall be uniform) for both, business and consumer. Like Bush, Reagan balanced & cut taxes for all incomes across the spectrum before closing loop holes.
    2a) If Dems insist on ending tax deductions, the GOP can demand Capital Gains Rates dropped to 0% (after ObamaCare raised it 3%) and cut Corporate Taxes 15% (because ours are anti-business, and are the highest in the world).
 ➣ 2b) If Dems insist on further dividing the nation, favoring only certain groups of Americans, while punishing the others who already pay the most tax of any (class warfare is a tenet of Marxism), the GOP should give it right back. Demand America become a "Right To Work" nation (here), that ObamaCare be repealed with MONIES returned to "owner," that Unions repay their bailouts just like everyone else (with interest) and to expedite the privatization Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. "Shared sacrifice" comes to mind.♨ 

See Fannie - Freddie Bailout article here

➌What other departments are being cut by one-third, who have and are failing the American people?

Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are Government Sponsored Entities (aka socialist hybrids) operating in the real estate market (background here)   As of 2008, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac added $1.7T to the National Debt (here). As of 2011, We The People have a $5 Trillion tax payer owned obligation (here). 

The Reid Plan proposes cutting the military by one-third, as if soldiers caused the economic crisis. But Reid proposes no solution for Government interference with Private-Market & mandating sub-prime loans – the root cause of the collapse.

Link to Fannie & Freddie's Political Donations (here) 

Our Government's redistribution via the private-market (not PUBLIC) for 70 years is collapsing the dollar. It started with Fannie Mae, created by FDR in the 1930s. And 70 years seems to be the life-span of socialist experiments, after all, that's how long Communist Russia lasted until Reagan & their ultimate collapse. 

Government redistribution of wealth corrodes every person's God given right to independence. The People's "PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS" is being replaced with a life of dependence & mediocrity for those willing to accept the great fundamental chains of Government. 
In this debate for solvency, Nancy Pelosi actually said "I feel like The People's mother & want to make sure each child is cared for." In other words, you DEPEND on Nancy Pelosi (Government) like a child does his mother. Talk about vulnerable!
For Freedom's sake, the process of privatization should begin immediately (not reduced by 10% per year until tax payer obligations are lower than $250B. See Govt interference here).

Clintons & Tony Rezko, 1998

Housing is one of the vulnerable spots of our economy which Clinton, Cuomo, Dodd, Frank, ACORN, Tony Rezko, Franklin Raines & Barack Obama each took political advantage of. The Federal Government mandated & redistributed fraudulent loans to the compromised Free-Market to absorb. They stole people's value & returns. It's theft that couldn't be accomplished in Congress, so was carried out in the market.
The argument that "the real-estate bubble was Bush's fault" is for the weak-minded too.
Jimmy Carter’s “Community Re-INVESTMENT ACT” (here) gave the market its: “thanks for the home ~ sorry about your 401k” kind of moment. The general effects of sub-prime loans & Govt interference with the market are (here).

Rezko's Obama-deal in Chicago.

Top-Down, Bottom-Up: Clinton's HUD Director, Andrew Cuomo turned the real-estate industry into a racial issue with "affirmative action mortgages" in 1998 (see video here).  The goal was to redistribute housing via mandating sub-prime loans.  At the same time, Obama was working for ACORN & executing the "top-down, bottom-up maneuver." Obama & ACORN would bully private banks into making bad loans for those who couldn't afford them – while Clinton, Cuomo (Rezko, Raines etc) provided Government guarantees for those bad loans, leaving The People on the hook via the Market! Oh yes. The Clintons & Obamas have more than redistribution in common. They're both linked to real-estate convict, Tony Rezko.

Fannie & Freddie (owned by We The People) are all but under-water.  IF they want to compete, then they should turn loans they cannot handle over to the private market to affirm actual value (liquidity) & impose industry standards  returning The People's value (and their earnings) back to the market (to The People it was taken from). 
★ Instead of asking "gramma & the children to suffer cuts in care," just ask those who can’t afford & shouldn't have their mortgage to move out of their Government Sponsored & taxpayer owned house. Resell the property at actual market value to one who meets credit standards. Houses do not grow on trees, Comrades! Even Barney Frank admitted “rental housing is a better option for low income.” (article link)
The sub-prime pandemic remains dire to this day here. 
There are bigger & better opportunities to turn the economic crisis around. It's a simple concept – protect EVERYONE'S right to independence – especially from foreign Governments & our own.
I've said this for years (here), "implement reflective trade policy (fair trade) with all others (like CHINA). Loosen the grip that Unions have over employment & employers. And renew the Private Market with a flood of (domestic oil) revenue & American jobs." 
Why are we paying Billions to secure our nation as result of 9/11? Whether it's the TSA Program or Port Security – we are paying for heightened security as if 9/11 were OUR fault. Instead, propose a 9/11 Security Tax on ALL imports.

Drill Here, Drill Now: US Oil Shale Deposits 

➍If Republicans want to add substantial & new revenue, they should demand more fossil-fuel drilling permits & immediately increase drilling here – in America. How is reliance on foreign oil working out for the USA so far? Domestic production would put more people to work, drive down cost on everything & provide new tax revenue to pay down the debt.

There's a lot that can be done with proper negotiation & it means give and take (not just take). Dems can no longer depend on lying & obnoxious behavior. They should be prepared to give, for a change, instead of always just  taking.

Democrats use redistribution as a means to pick and choose which moral issue to try & use. They continue to further divide society against itself.  And they do so while putting their own will above the Creator & disrespecting the God given Right To Life.

Abraham Lincoln relied on & actualized the Declaration of Independence ~ "all men are Created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, among these are the Right to Life, Liberty & Pursuit." 
Democrats continue to disregard the one document of America's Founding that remains unchanged - the Declaration of Independence.
The same Democrats who say, "abortion is only a 'social issue" completely disregard the Declaration (like before). Liberty runs much deeper than do fiscal issues, easily solved. It's inherent to man's soul to be free – not rich – although with work the latter may result. Children are also "endowed by their Creator" and are discriminated against because of age in order to "give" the easily convinced parents a chance at what?
The Father of the Republican Party, Abraham Lincoln said, "Those who deny Freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves"  and it includes the  so easily convinced and selfish enough to take another's freedom / life away.

(Here) If the pic is extreme, just imagine how the children felt

➎The same Democrats dismiss the $2B/year cost to tax payers (here & here) to run a mill that has taken over 40 Million innocent souls, so far.  Per the ACLU,  the states spend over $1.5B/year on abortion via Medicaid. Plus, Obama funds international abortions via US AID (AID= International Development) to the tune of $460 Million/year. And another $370M/year goes directly to Planned Parenthood (here). Still, another $39M/year goes to the UN for "population control programs" (here). 

Over ten years,  the total amount taxpayers spend on abortions is $23.7B. How can we afford all this wasteful spending during such an economic crisis? In lieu of knowing that $24B goes to fund ending lives of others before a certain age, it is demeaning to even bring-up money. $24B to end well over 10 million lives (add international toll) in the next 10 years via the American tax payer.  We're about to pass Mao Tse Tung's total number of 50 Million lives taken, and all while you & I quietly fund it.

Reagan awards Mother Theresa the Medal of FREEDOM

Do Dems really expect those of faith to continue funding this atrocity? 
 Instead of ALL tax-payers funding it, there ought to be a literal sin tax for abortion. Individuals should pay for their own contraceptives.  God creates life, and it's not up to man to say when.

Stimulus cost over $1T, Fannie & Freddie contribute $1.7 T to the debt (with $5T in continuing liability) & Obamacare cost $3T, yet the Radical Left blames Bush because terrorist attacked America & spent $1.2T over ten years on the response? And now they need “new revenues” after their radical agenda has all but bankrupted the nation? 
The cumulative total for just 3 Democrat programs is $5.7 Trillion. The Left thinks your money belongs to them, and say tax-cuts “cost” them revenue (theft). 

Bush’s tax rate (re-signed by Obama 12/2010) “cost” $80B/yr or $800B/decade. The total cost of the war ($1.2T) and the Bush tax cuts ($800B) equals $2 Trillion over 10 years – only a third of the grand total for the GSEs debt & 2 Obama Bills: Stimulus & Obamacare.
Democrats outspent Republicans by $3.7 Trillion over 10 years. These are just 5 pieces of legislation & do not include the revenue already lost by not allowing drilling but demanding redistribution. 

We The People are asked to raise the National Debt ceiling AFTER record level spending. As the Debt equals 100% of total GDP for the first time in history.  After ever-rising food & gas prices, result of the inflation caused by Government's continual interference in the market.  After a 20% hike in health-premiums result of Obamcare (which already cut Medicare $500B). And after only one bill signed by Obama (Stimulus) out spent the entire cost of the War on Terror. The SPENDING has to STOP & so does our Government's lack of respect for our God given natural rights & our independence.

National Debt Opportunity: Bigger Is Better for Negotiation

by Paul Ryan (link)  

by P.S. Read

Washington DC   

While pundits and prose plug away promoting their best laid plans to solve the "national debt crisis,"  facts are yielding to sheer panic & fear tactics. What is being lost in the frenzied debate by all sides is the word, "opportunity." 

This is where standing on principles pays off. With Cut, Cap & Balance blocked by Harry Reid, to "not rise to the opportunity" with Boehner's Two-Part Plan (here) plays into Obama's hand –  not the other way around.  If Conservatives do not address the financial mess whenever they have an opportunity (especially like this one), they will have lost all economic credibility. They will have lost the chance to follow up Gingrich's economic victory of the 1990s (here) with one even bigger.  

link to article here

➢ If Congress allows the Reid Plan to move forward, they will have increased the debt $500B, and not cut a thing. Reid's plan allows for a $2.7T Debt Extension & only makes $2.2T in cuts (from CBO here). It doesn't even pay for the extension↯. The Senate Democrat plan doesn't cut the national debt, it raises the debt. The Reid Plan adds $500B to the debt. Not to mention it doesn't touch the ever-expanding base-line, result of automated departmental fund-increases, interest and inflation.

☼ Reid gave Obama a sweet-heart deal. With Reid's Plan, Obama wouldn't have to face his number one detractor again – the debt he's racked up in his first term ♥ In an unprecedented move, Reid's debt-extension runs past the Presidential election. It's not the normal six month extension, but a full two years away. ♥ The nation is "teetering on the edge" (per democrat representatives) and Reid is playing politics to make it easier on Obama & harder to solve the debt problem.  After listening to the recent doom & gloom by Democrats, I say Dirty Harry is disgusting & has no place being a Senator of the United States of America.

➢ Reid also wants to circumvent the US Constitution by introducing his bill from the Senate.  Article 1 Section 7 (here) states ❝all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives, but Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.❞ Dirty Harry is not a Representative, and is only plotting to bypass the amendment process.  Do nothing and get continual blame for the sagging economy by both the bully pulpit, and its mainstream media. And the politics of blame will lead up to the Presidential election. We've been here, and we've seen this play out already.  ✪ No more replays of 2008, if you please  ✪

And when the economy starts to take a turn for the better, The People will remember & know whose legislation led to the brief recovery. The earned credibility will lend support to even more cuts, which is past due & desperately needed for the long journey toward full recovery & renewal (by Paul Ryan here).

 The Reid Plan also caps "war-activity spending" (here) --- its as if Reid thinks the enemy has no culpability in the matter. Maybe our enemies would be so kind as to abide by a cease fire when Dirty Harry runs out of "war money."  What's shocking?  

 ➢ Obama's Stimulus Bill alone ($780B) cost more than the entire War on Terror ($740B as of 2009).
Don't forget, Stimulus has been a lot less effective than the military in serving The People♠. The fact that stimulus failed (and the war has not) & the fact that Dirty Harry said "the Iraq war  was lost" in 2007 is what he's trying to hide (see above video). What's clear is that Dirty Harry is having flashbacks of his 1960s Anti-Military Protester Days. "War activity spending caps?" Maybe he's just pandering to Ron Paul Libertarians. 

Consider disavowing Boehner's plan to be support  for the Reid Plan & an opportunity lost. Especially when so much can be gained with little political returns going to Obama.   

Default can be easily dealt with, and only means that we pay the interest on our debt & meet our obligations.  The August 2 deadline is a false mark set by Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner (here), who recently admitted the date "might actually be August 10" (here). For the record, its now his 3rd change to the date.  In fact, as Senator Rand Paul points out "America is taking in $200B per month. We have plenty of money to pay our interest & not default."

Rep. Gohmert (TX) reinforced the sentiment, "There is $2.6T in the Social Security trust fund. Checks wouldn't be skipped unless Pres. Obama refused to issue them." Still, another bill sets out to guarantee  payment to our military. So, when it comes to solving the fiscal crisis, there is no better time than the present.

❝If not us, who? If not now, when?❞ is a Ronald Reagan quote used as a call to action. He used it to win the Cold War & Obama is borrowing it to solve his political situation, regarding the debt crisis vs the election time line.  Note: Reagan was dominated by Democrats in the House and in the Senate. And he did not shy away from negotiation. 

   Negotiation can yield big opportunity.

link to article 

And it can do so right in front of an attentive nation. Paul Ryan rightfully supports the Two Part Boehner Plan. Ryan realizes that Cut, Cap & Balance was blocked, and knows Obama really wants a longer extension so he "doesn't have to deal with it on the campaign trail." The debt process has been made purely political and is all about the 2012 Election.
The crown jewel for Conservatives is the Balanced Budget Amendment & 75% of The People support it. Whether in the 1st or 2nd part of Boehner's plan doesn't matter, as long as its in there. A Balanced Budget Amendment would preempt the out of control spending by Washington DC and would demand fiscal responsibility.

➊). The original plan called for a debt limit increase of 6 months -- the exact same duration given Reagan who was ending a 50 year Cold War with Communist Russia. 

    1a) If Democrats demand a full year of extension, then the GOP can demand  a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment by April 2012 (Part Two of the Boehner Plan could even feature "pay go" (here) AND include a 2 to 1 Cut to Debt Extension ratio. The 2:1 ratio would pay back the extension, cut spending & pay down the national debt  -- the reason an extension is needed. 

     1b) If Obama wants a debt extension into 2013, then the GOP can demand a 3 to 1 Cut to Debt Extension ratio with a Balanced Budget Amendment AND ☑demand all states be given the chance to opt out of Obamacare, like so many unions & businesses have already done.  And like some states were already granted in a deal made behind closed-doors (Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase & many other "pay offs" here). You've heard the radical buzz-words "balanced approach & shared sacrifice" being repeated daily by the radical left.  In order for sacrifice to be shared, both sides must experience some. 

➋). Democrats want to raise more revenue (which always means more spending) by closing tax loopholes. I think Republicans would be smart to accept their offer, but only if Democrats will agree to pass a uniform tax cut for both business and consumer. Like Bush, Reagan cut taxes for all incomes across the spectrum before closing loop holes.

    2a) If Dems insist on ending tax deductions, then the GOP can demand Capital Gains Rate be dropped by 3% (the same rate ObamaCare raised it behind closed doors).

➣ 2b) If Dems demand to tax Americans who pay the most of any group, the GOP can demand America become a "right to work" nation (here), that no Union be given a waiver from Obamacare & that Unions repay their bailouts just like everyone else (with interest). "Shared sacrifice" comes to mind.♨

➣ If Republicans want to add substantial & new revenue, they should demand more fossil-fuel drilling permits & immediately increase drilling here – in America.  How is reliance on foreign oil working out for the USA, again? Domestic production would put more people to work, drive down cost on everything & provide new tax revenue to pay down the debt.  There is a lot that can be done with proper negotiation -- and it means give and take (not just take). Democrats can no longer depend on lying & obnoxious behavior.  They should be prepared to give, in order to receive.

There is no chance that Harry Reid will pull "Cut, Cap & Balance" off the table. We're lucky Boehner proposed a follow-up plan or we'd be stuck with Reid's Plan, which only adds to the national debt & encourages bad behavior with more spending.  And McConnell's plan dodges the issue.

Who really thinks "sticking to your guns" will make Harry Reid pull "Cut, Cap & Balance" off of the table? Consider the history: Stimulus & Obamacare were forced down our throats despite 70% of The People opposing it. Now Conservatives have similar support for the Balanced Budget Amendment (which is part of the Boehner Plan), and some want to pass on the chance. To what end? We stuck to our guns with the Ryan Budget & with the Obamacare repeal.  Both bills passed the House & are now gathering dust in the Senate.

Libertarians are not Conservatives. 

Who is demanding Boehner step down and why? Who is demanding the GOP stick to its guns and ride down the river without a paddle? They're not Conservatives. They're Libertarians, or at least they're pandering to libertarians (here). And the media keeps confusing the two.

The same libertarians who say, "social issues are not fiscal issues and don't matter" -- despite the Housing Crisis and Obamacare (both of which are social issues & fiscal disasters) -- are those crying foul.  They are the same libertarians who are rabidly anti-war & easily dismiss the need to protect Americans from foreign attacks, which is why so many voted with Dennis Kucinich on Libya despite the now verified, Gaddafi ordered bombing of Pan Am 103. They are the same libertarians who are non-interventionist & want to close all over seas bases. They are the same libertarians who think the Father of the GOP, Abraham Lincoln, acted illegally in winning the Civil War.

Libertarians disregard the one document of America's Founding that remains unchanged - the Declaration of Independence. Lincoln relied on & actualized the Declaration ("all men are Created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights").  And note to Mr. Paul: even when England ended their African slave trade, they did not end their Irish Catholic one (here & here).

The same libertarians say abortion is only a 'social issue' & disregard the Declaration. They dismiss the $20 Billion per year cost to tax payers (here & here).  Per the ACLU, the states spend over $20B per year on abortion. And Obama funds international abortions via US AID ("Agency for International Development") to the tune of $460 Million per year. Another $39M per year goes to the UN for "population control programs" (here).  Can we afford all this wasteful spending during such an economic crisis? Instead of ALL tax-payers funding it, there ought to be a sin tax placed on abortion. There's some new revenue -- give and take.

Lets not confuse the two groups. Libertarians rely on the Constitution in its original form & intent. Conservatives put their faith in the Declaration of Independence.  One document can be perverted. The other cannot.

They are the same libertarians who wouldn't even endorse a conservative candidate for President, but instead said they'd support any candidate running against Obama - RINO or otherwise.  While Amy Kremer cries foul over a plan that still has a chance at fixing "fiscal issues" -- one can deduce Libertarians are really just confused liberals.

To illustrate the difference: Conservative Tea Partiers out number Libertarians 65% to 25%, as made evident by the amount of pro-lifers in the Tea Party movement (here).

Maybe Ms. Kremer should demand resignations from where its most deserved: the Democrat leadership.  And maybe she should take a look in the mirror & decide whether or not she truly represents the †ea Party --  65% of whom are Pro-Life.

And when there is nothing left to promote other than class-warfare (a main tenet of Marxism here), rest assured, Democrats will start making wild-eyed accusations without substantiation. But Remember: we are asked to raise the National Debt ceiling AFTER record level spending. As the Debt equals 100% of the total GDP. After ever rising food & gas prices. After a 20% hike in health-premiums result of Obamcare (which already cut Medicare $500B). And after one bill signed by Obama (Stimulus) out spent the entire cost of the War on Terror.